Friday, August 17, 2018
Posted by nickglais on 8/17/2018 06:00:00 AM
Democracy and Class Struggle says the debate around Alex Jones and hate speech on Google and Facebook and You Tube is no longer abstract but concrete and has real world implications as the families of the Sandy Hook victims found out.
Sam Biddle makes points similar to ourselves above - while we are against hate speech we do not see Google or Facebook or You Tube as judges of it - that should be socially determined and regulated not corporately and these tech monopolies should be broken up.
We also know that at periods of history that hate speech has been falsely used against the Left - but we are not dogmatists we evaluate our position today from current balance of class forces today not yesterday.
We welcome the take down of Alex Jones by activists like Right Wing Watch creating pressure on the tech giants limiting Alex Jones activities as part of the class struggle - they took down Alex Jones because of social pressure not desire.
We see freedom as a class concept unlike Glen Greenwald who at best espouses an abstract anarchist view of freedom and not a revolutionary socialist one,
It is not a surprise to us for all his corporate denunciations he is happy to take Pierre Mofad Omidyar money for the Intercept -
we respectfully suggest that Glen Greenwald do his next investigative journalism article on Pierre Mofad Omidyar and the CIA instead of using anti corporate rhetoric to cover his tracks.
Glen Greenwald's defense of Alex Jones is essentially the slippery slope defense. - but we are under no illusions that these tech giants act on behalf of US and Israel to close down or suspend sites at will as the recent actions on two Venezuelan sites show - this is nothing new.
These and similar actions were done before Alex Jones takedown and irrespective of Alex Jones.
We have maintained than in event of war with Iran a large number of existing sites will be taken down by the US and Israeli Governments including our own.
In fact these take downs have already been simulated as part of US and Israeli Information War Games.
Glen Greenwald can volunteer for the gallows of free speech for Alex Jones and Nazis and Fascists but we do not have to follow his ahistorical view of the freedom struggle against fascism and nazism which was defeated by bullets not by Glen Greenwald's rhetoric..
Posted by nickglais on 8/17/2018 04:13:00 AM
Thursday, August 16, 2018
Trump's Conservative Helsinki Mood Music no longer attractive in Russia they have discovered the lyrics SANCTIONS SANCTIONS
Democracy and Class Struggle says Can Russia make sense of Trump ?
Only Trump knows Trump
We have warned Russia about Trump's Games many times in the past years and some in Russia have heard us but they cling onto illusions about Trump with a tenacity that shocks us - which makes us suspicious that they love the Trump music and cannot hear the lyrics of SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS.
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 04:37:00 PM
Taking Alex Jones down has taken a lot of activism by people like Right Wing Watch and Jared Holt - do not undo their good work.
We may have political disagreements with some of the liberals in Right Wing Watch but overall we welcome their exposure of the Far Right in American politics.
Light on the darkness of American politics will always get our support.
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 03:46:00 PM
Freedom and the Marsh by V.I.Lenin - Hate Speech is not Free Speech do not follow some US Leftists into the Marsh
Democracy and Class Struggle has made our position on freedom and Class Struggle in our recent series of posts on Alex Jones and we recommend those that have not grasped the truth that democracy and freedom are class concepts to study Herbert Aptheker here:
“We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand.
We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire.
We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation.
And now some among us begin to cry out:
Let us go into the marsh!
And when we begin to shame them, they retort:
What backward people you are!
Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road!
Oh, yes, gentlemen!
You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh.
In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there.
Only let go of our hands, don't clutch at us and don't besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are "free" to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!”
What is to be Done ? By V.I.Lenin
Lenin reminds us we do not have to go down the Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore and Lee Camp and Code Pink path we can let them go into the marsh but we are free to reject their liberal freedom for socialist democracy - democracy for the many not the few.
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 01:20:00 PM
Reality TV Star Omarosa plays the Trump game against Trump - Omarosa should team up with Avenatti and we will see a good street fight.
Time for the infighting to reach new heights which of course is also a distraction - from Iran and North Korea.
Its takes a villain to take down a villain.
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 10:39:00 AM
Closing down Fascism in the USA will prove harder if the Left defends their "free" speech which is nothing but hate speech.
Time for an education program among the US Left about the class character of democracy and freedom.
It can begin here with that great Black American thinker Herbert Aptheker :
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 07:16:00 AM
THE FLAGS OF OPPRESSOR NATIONS INCINERATED IN DERRY BONFIRE OF THE OPPRESSORS AN ANNUAL EVENT
The bonfire was held in the staunchly republican area the Bogside, where British Soldiers killed 14 people in 1972, in an event that come to known as Bloody Sunday.
Bonfires are held on 15 August as tradition in some nationalist parts of Northern Ireland in order to mark the Catholic Feast of the Assumption.
While to others they are held to commemorate the British policy of internment.
Introduced in 1971 the policy saw republican suspects indefinitely detained without trial.
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 04:46:00 AM
Democracy and Class Struggle says that free speech is not above Class Struggle - it is part of the Class Struggle restricting the actions and hatred of Alex Jones is freedom from fascism and oppression of minorities,
Democracy and Class Struggle wants the expansion of freedom for the majority and minorities but that means going beyond capitalism and suppressing capitalism - we do not get there by advocating freedom of hate speech for Alex Jones like Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore and Lee Camp and recently Code Pink defending Proud Boys are doing in USA.
We feel that Young Turks are better but like liberals they are copping out on the hate speech question and making the Jones Question a defamation question.
We need more than ever to understand the class character of freedom and freedom is a class concept if we are to get out of the swamp that Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, Lee Camp and sadly Code Pink are leading us into.
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE CLASS CHARACTER OF FREEDOM OR DO NOT KNOW THE CONCEPT READ:
TALK TO ME OF CLASS CHARACTER OF FREEDOM UNDER CAPITALISM
Posted by nickglais on 8/16/2018 03:52:00 AM